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agrippa
post Sep 10 2004, 07:59 PM
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Wow, Clyde. You've put a lot of thought into this! I can't totally follow the whole thing on a first read, but I do have a few thoughts about the issue of how many students attend Hogwarts.

Although JKR has said a 1000 students attend Hogwarts, consider Harry's year in Gryffindor. There are only five boys and six five:
Harry - Ron - Neville - Seamus - Dean
Hermione - Pavarti - Lavendar - and two more girls (we know they exist from the Boggart scene in POA)

At the first flying lesson (with Slytherin) there are twenty broomsticks.
At double potions (again with Slytherin) there are twenty cauldrons set up.
At double herbology (with Hufflepuff) Sprout set out twenty earmuffs.

So, at least in Harry's year and in all of the houses except Ravenclaw, there are only ten. If we assume it's also true of Ravenclaw, and of all seven years, then there are only 280 students at Hogwarts.

See more in this essay at the Lexicon.

So - it's by no means cut and dry. I still like the class schedule you came up with, though.
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post Sep 10 2004, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (McGonagall's Cat @ Sep 10 2004, 08:35 PM)
Admirable bit of logic, this! 

My :2cents:  Comments and thoughts  ~~

You've not counted in "magic space", TimeTurners, and such, which could throw a monkey wrench into the whole deal. 
And then... RW teachers spend around 60+ hours per week working/doing class-related planning and such, at least the good ones do.

re: 1.  The amount of students isn't necessarily constant with JKR's.  There's been a pretty devastaing "War" since then that undoubtedly took out MANY families and lowered the population numbers in general.

re: 2.  There are more teachers than the few main ones, and some as yet un-named classes.

Each year there are 2 more classes added to the students' load, or they focus on exams.  Here's a neat reference from the Lexicon that sort of does some of what you've done here with JKR's info: 
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/hogwarts/classes..._academics.html


re: 8  Your class schedule is awsome!  I take exception to any Astronomy in daylight hours, though this supports you theory:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/timelines/calend...alendar_op.html



Here's another neat schedule from The HP Lexicom that may inspire some ideas:
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/timelines/timeline_classes.html


Keep up the good work!

I agree 100% about the time a good teacher spends preparing for class, and they typically only teach about 4-5 hours per day! Yes, I'm certain there are those that do more, but union restrictions, at least here where I am, keep teaching time very low. Still there is a lot of extra time involved. It's in the neighborhood of 2 hours prep/tutor/help/grade per hour taught. So the core teachers at hogwarts, with 35 hours teaching time, would need 105 hours total time per week!

As for magic, timeturners, etc helping - I would think that would burn them out quickly - look what it did to Hermione.

Agreed, there are other teachers and classes, but she never breaks one teacher per class, that I can recall. The courses from the first year never change, until year five. At least 2 more are added in year 3, out of at least 5 choices (I had forgotten Ancient Runes! Thanks for the lexicon references!) I think I remember that they get to drop some next year, but these are mandatory for the first year, and that's as far as I took it for now. Hopefully, by the time James and crew are in 6th/7th year, we'll have the last two books for reference.

Astronomy in daylight is for the theory only. The vast majority of the practical astronomy they do has to be near dusk or dawn, and there are at least 4 houses*5 years or 20 hours needed per class hour credit. When I wrote the schedule for astronomy, I used only the block of hours between 2000 and 2400, assuming that the actual observation times would vary with the topic/time of year/weather. That left me one hour per week I needed to put during daylight. But covering theory during that period corresponds to my real world classes, so I felt it was all right.

Again, thanks for the references!

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post Sep 10 2004, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (agrippa @ Sep 10 2004, 08:59 PM)
Wow, Clyde. You've put a lot of thought into this! I can't totally follow the whole thing on a first read, but I do have a few thoughts about the issue of how many students attend Hogwarts.

Although JKR has said a 1000 students attend Hogwarts, consider Harry's year in Gryffindor. There are only five boys and six five:
Harry - Ron - Neville - Seamus - Dean
Hermione - Pavarti - Lavendar - and two more girls (we know they exist from the Boggart scene in POA)

At the first flying lesson (with Slytherin) there are twenty broomsticks.
At double potions (again with Slytherin) there are twenty cauldrons set up.
At double herbology (with Hufflepuff) Sprout set out twenty earmuffs.

So, at least in Harry's year and in all of the houses except Ravenclaw, there are only ten. If we assume it's also true of Ravenclaw, and of all seven years, then there are only 280 students at Hogwarts.

See more in this essay at the Lexicon.

So - it's by no means cut and dry. I still like the class schedule you came up with, though.

That class schedule is for a school size of 280! There would have to be 4 teachers for every subject if the school size was 1000, and I can't find anything anywhere where anyone had someone other than Snape for Potions! (What an abominable string of anyX words!)

Interestingly enough, as I worked through what the teachers must do, it comes down to 40 students per year!

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post Sep 23 2004, 10:29 AM
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Clyde- Your attention to detail is inspiring smile.gif
I love it.

Now I was wondering- is anyone going to continue the story. I'm dying to know what happens!!!!


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post Sep 23 2004, 11:37 AM
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J2H is an ongoing storyline. Would you like to add to it?


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post Sep 23 2004, 11:50 AM
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HA! Love to- however the level of talent that has submitted thus far frightens me. I'm afraid I may send the story racing down the toilet with one post. I think I may need more practice before jumping on this bandwagon!


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post Sep 23 2004, 12:48 PM
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Don't sell yourself short, Timeturner! If you have an idea for the next installment, post 'dibbs' and remember there's always a beta reader around who will help bail you out before it's posted! wink.gif


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post Sep 29 2004, 11:58 PM
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Hi fellow ferrets!

Just want to let you all know that the Journey To Hogwarts project is taking a short break. I've closed the story topic for now while some of us work on editing and restructuring. The project's leaders and helpers are working out a few kinks with the plot and characters. As soon as that's finished, you'll see a whole new wealth of information in Madam Pince's library to help everyone get better acquainted with the characters, plot and other important things like student and teacher schedules. We'll try to keep you updated on our progress and as soon as we're ready to start it up again, we'll let you all know. yes.gif

Please forgive the interruption; we'll try to work quickly on this so we can all get back to writing this story. The goal is to give everyone a good reference guide and plot to work with, which means we'll all have a much easier and more enjoyable time contributing to the project.

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